overstay 6 years on VOA

[tihzho]

While online gaming is legal in many jursidiction around the world, gambling is most definitely illegal in Indonesia. However, I am not sure if the laws here have caught up with the whole newfangled internet thing. When you are questioned by the officials about how you survived all these years in Indonesia, I would not volunteer that you gambled online the past 6 years.

"[SIZE=2]If [/SIZE]you've[SIZE=2] ever thought about visiting a cyber casino, here’s something you should know: it’s illegal to gamble online in the United States.[/SIZE]

“You can go to Vegas. You can go to Atlantic City. You can go to a racetrack. You can go to those places and gamble legally. But don't do it online. It’s against the law,” says Leslie Bryant, head of our Cyber Crime Fraud unit at FBI Headquarters."

If that's in the US so it doesn't take much brain power to conclude its also illegal in Indonesia

[Berlarutlarut]

Wasn't there an almost identical thread on this 2-3 months ago?

As I said there, if it was me I would fly to Kupang then pay someone to get me across the land border (or by boat) to East Timor. I think it would be a much easier problem to solve there than in Indonesia. I'm sure there would be a fine but if you had a ticket to Singapore they'd probably just let you get on a plane after paying it.

[Puspawarna]

Regarding whether on-line gambling is legal in Indonesia, this article is suggestive though not conclusive - it implies that dafluff's speculation is correct, i.e. Indonesia's laws haven't yet caught up with on-line gambling, but it's just a matter of time.

http://www.obandigital.com/gb/articles/july-2012/online-gambling-banned-by-the-indonesian-government

I agree it would be wise to be circumspect about having been making money this way.

[Puspawarna]

Wasn't there an almost identical thread on this 2-3 months ago?

You may be thinking of this thread although that was a six-month overstay, not six years.

[jstar]

Starting to think it's all one big C&B story....

[atlantis]

You may be thinking of this thread although that was a six-month overstay, not six years.

This one: http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.or...isa-on-Arrival

Same poster and my question at the end of the thread has been left unanswered. It was a simple, non suspicious question.

@the op,
Creating two accounts, for 1 person is not welcome in our forum. I will have to ban both of your accounts, but considering the troubles you may be in, I will do so after that I've found time to post here what is inaccurate in the link given by dafluff in an earlier post. Anyway, most of what he has said is spot on. Just some of the infos in the link need to be corrected. I'll try to find time tomorrow to post.

[atlantis]

I would go the legal route, but if that's too scary for you could try this. Get a brand new passport issued from your embassy. Then, find someone who'll give you the proper stamps to make it look like you've just come from Singapore 30 days ago and entered on a VOA. I've heard of some people getting this done. Where, who? I'm not sure. I have no contacts in that department. Then you can fly out to Singapore or where ever.

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To be honest, your advise is also not the wisest one. By doing so, if he get caught, he would risk much more troubles than what he really risks at the moment. Overstay, even for 6 years is not that big of a deal. In this very forum, we've had some people in similar situation we managed their way legally without too many troubles.

[Berlarutlarut]

Yes that was the thread I was thinking of. I thought it was the same person - I see my hunch was correct.

[Melody]

Again my thought is why go about this illegally ...or wrong way....if done correctly no problem...once you do things the wrong way it becomes a bad cycle always trying to stay ahead of the bad situation....done correctly the first time avoids a lot of headaches and expenses down the road....I have used good advise from this forum and my outcome has always been positive and correct.....

[ScooterIndo]

As a suggestion - could you go to your embassy and tell them you've lost your passport and need to get home for some super important thing like mother on her death bed for example and then ask them to issue an emergency travel document. Tell them you you have been here a while but your last set of VOA details was in your now missing passport. I am sure that your embassy would isue you the emergency travel doc provided you could prove your identity and nationality. With that emergency document you could at least get out of the country - you need to go to the local police station to report your bag stolen or some bullshit and tell them you lost everything (laptop phone etc oh and also your passport - dont make it out to be the primary concern) you then take the police report letter to prove that it was a real crime and has been reported to the embassy to give you "official" credibility when you ask for the travel document - not saying it would work but its a thought.

[pip]

As a suggestion - could you go to your embassy and tell them you've lost your passport and need to get home for some super important thing like mother on her death bed for example and then ask them to issue an emergency travel document. Tell them you you have been here a while but your last set of VOA details was in your now missing passport. I am sure that your embassy would isue you the emergency travel doc provided you could prove your identity and nationality. With that emergency document you could at least get out of the country - you need to go to the local police station to report your bag stolen or some bullshit and tell them you lost everything (laptop phone etc oh and also your passport - dont make it out to be the primary concern) you then take the police report letter to prove that it was a real crime and has been reported to the embassy to give you "official" credibility when you ask for the travel document - not saying it would work but its a thought.

As a suggestion, I suspect the said passport (to now be lost) is documented as to when it entered Indonesia and they will find it entered on a VOA either six weeks ago or six years ago, depending on which story the OP writes (if any is true), reading the Mods here.

I may be wrong of course.

[ScooterIndo]

Pip who is they ?? the embassy or immigration ?? would the embassy care about immigration issues and how would immigration check as the travel document wouldnt be related to the original passport would it ?? Of course the overstayer wouldnt remember his original passport number would he ?? there in lies the loop hole a clean travel doc that skirts the visa issue.

[atlantis]

As a suggestion - could you go to your embassy and tell them you've lost your passport and need to get home for some super important thing like mother on her death bed for example and then ask them to issue an emergency travel document. Tell them you you have been here a while but your last set of VOA details was in your now missing passport. I am sure that your embassy would isue you the emergency travel doc provided you could prove your identity and nationality. With that emergency document you could at least get out of the country - you need to go to the local police station to report your bag stolen or some bullshit and tell them you lost everything (laptop phone etc oh and also your passport - dont make it out to be the primary concern) you then take the police report letter to prove that it was a real crime and has been reported to the embassy to give you "official" credibility when you ask for the travel document - not saying it would work but its a thought.

Are you really serious, Scoot'?

Surely you are aware of the features of the SISKIM (the "new" immigration computerized system) and noticed that each time you come in an out of indonesia they either type your full name or scan the informations the passport contains. Then pop up your file with your complete datas, date of entry, your immigration status history and any information concerning the fact that you are or not included in the deterrence or blacklist list (daftar pencegahan/daftar penangkalan).
As soon as they will type the name of the OP they will notice that no informations about his date of entry pops up. One simple reason for it: his last recorded (5 years+ ago) entry predates the full implementation of the SISKIM. What do you think that they will conclude about it?

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What you suggest is in breach with Indonesian laws and therefore is not welcome in this forum. As much as I appreciate your postings, you will have to conform to it. We recently had to delete a few of your posts and we would be left with no other choice to start issuing infractions should you persist in ignoring our policy. Thanks for your cooperation.

[pip]

@Atlantis, when you delete scooters posts above could you also delete my replies that refer to it and also this one to clean up the thread?

[johntap]

has it been suggested here that this poster/overstayer is a front by imigrasi to flush out, in some sort of way, those who overstay??