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  • Davita
    Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 3377

    Thanks for the heads-up on Penang Consulate for visas Mrc...I agree with you about KL although I have had a visa issued in one day.

    Only problem is Air Asia has one flight per day direct to Penang and it can be pricey, unless bought well in advance. A couple of months ago I returned from Penang on MAS thru' KL.... much cheaper and better than Air Asia, although a little longer.

    Oh! just remembered I wont need another visit to the Embassy till next March as I've a multi-entry Sosbud now, which lasts a year.

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    • nfrank
      Member
      • Jul 2010
      • 6

      Advice for pre-empting KITAS/P, sponsor and timing... ref new law

      Originally posted by atlantis View Post
      I will write posts similar to the opening post in thiis thread to further detail all the procedure for KITAP and my own experience in a few days, as soon as the new law will be promulgated. It will alllow me to do everything in one time Conversion of ITAS in ITAP for those married with an Indonesian citizen + alih sponsor for those married with an Indonesian wife BUT with a KITAS sponsored by an Indonesian company (you can not go directly from an ITAS sponsored by a company to an ITAP sponsored by a WNI wife/husband and need to do a alih sponsor
      Dear Atlantis and others,
      I realise that this question is not exactly in the right forum, except as a direct follow-up to the quote above on Atlantis' intention to write further on company/spouse sponsor conversion in relation to the new immigration law.

      I have a problem of timing here, and would really appreciate your advice. After years of DINAS/KITAS, I'm now on Business Visa while setting up a PT. The intention was that the PT (my wife as director, relevant or not) will sponsor my KITAS and work permit. However, dependent upon timing of the implementation of the new law and downstream regulations, can you see an alternative to this and some time-frame for it?

      A perfect alternative would be KITAS sponsorship by my wife now, with immediate conversion to KITAP once the law is ratified, with an ability to work in terms of fulfilling my nafkahi function as husband. But, as you have said elsewhere in this forum, the gap between Immigration law and downstream Manpower regulations may exclude this option. What you do think?

      Many thanks for your help. Your insight and advice on this forum is outstanding.

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      • mrcibubur
        Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 1057

        Are we suggesting here that Immigration Law in the near future is likely to favour the residential and working rights in Indonesia of the foreigner while the Manpower commission will be pulling the other way and in effect imposing a whole new set of regulations which would mean in practice the planned new Visa would be quite useless?

        I think the reality is that none of us really know at the moment - or does someone know who can enlighten us?

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        • nfrank
          Member
          • Jul 2010
          • 6

          Originally posted by mrcibubur View Post
          Are we suggesting here that Immigration Law in the near future is likely to favour the residential and working rights in Indonesia of the foreigner while the Manpower commission will be pulling the other way and in effect imposing a whole new set of regulations which would mean in practice the planned new Visa would be quite useless?
          Mrcibubur, actually I was writing this in a moment of optimism, assuming that Manpower and Immigration will align, but that timing of implementation of this presents choices now for my own situation right now. The best case scenario for me would be that Presidential ratification of Immigration law this month (that endorses the concept of "nufkahi" for foreign spouse) is sufficient to allow me to (1) get KITAS/P sponsored by wife, (2) rely on the spirit of the law for work under concept of "supporting my family", rather than pengalihan sponsor from KITAS/P (wife sponsor) to KITAS/P (PT sponsor) - which will be a waste of time and resources, rather avoided if possible. I suspect that timing is not going to work in favour of this - but I defer to your and other's deeper knowledge on this.

          Thanks

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          • mrcibubur
            Member
            • Feb 2009
            • 1057

            I think even if SBY ratifies the new immigration law today it isnot likely for the law to become effective until at least the autumn. Dont forget holidays coming up, Ramdhan and Idul Fitri, so nothing will surely happen before October at earliest. Have to apply current law for the time being which so far as most immigration officers is the NEW Law introduced a few years ago but they have not caught up with the 'new law' yet. Sooner or later ...

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            • nfrank
              Member
              • Jul 2010
              • 6

              I tend to agree with you mrcibubur. But grateful for other comments that might shed light on timing and options. Cheers..

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              • BatamBule123

                Hi there,

                I was reading this thread to apply for a KITAS sponsored by an Indonesian wife of a foreign husband. Me and my wife got the KITAS successfully after undergoing all the procedure, going to Jakarta for the approval and emission of the TELEX to the Indonesian embassy in Singapore.

                I am located in Batam and the closest Indonesian embassy is the in Singapore. After all the approval and the emission of the TELEX, me and my wife realized that there is a THREE DAY PROCESSING time to get the KITAS in Singapore! There is no way to get back home to Batam while your passport is held at the Indonesian embassy during that period. I don't know about you guys, but spending well over 175SGD of accommodation (or staying in a shit hotel for 2 nights 80SGD total) really doesn't appeal to me all that much.

                Furthermore, while the EXPRESS SERVICE is NOT publicly available for the general public; an agent can benefit the express service for himself and charge whatever he wants for the service. I mean, I had to meet the agent at McDonald's on Orchard Rd. what the hell! They don't even give you an address or give a business card; that's how scared they are for their business, and obviously they should, because it's illegal.

                This is clearly a DOUBLE STANDARD, it is by no mean LEGAL to withhold the passport of a foreign visitor for 3 days when in fact there is clearly an express service (one day - give your passport before 11am and get it back at 4h30pm).

                This, without a doubt means that, on one hand you have the agent (for example HANA EXPRESS) making a profit from a double standard, knowing a government agent inside the Indonesian Embassy in Singapore that himself on the other hand TAKES A CUT out of that service. The one day service with HANA EXPRESS is 230SGD. There is no way I am gonna pay that next year too renew my KITAS.

                The express service should be available FOR ALL AND EVERYONE and for a fraction of this price. I heard it is now possible for the public to get that express service in KL due to complaints regarding this kind of double standard corruption, insiders benefit...

                Someone is making thousands of dollars everyday on the expense of expats and that has to change.

                I am looking for people that would want to put their name on a petition joined with a legal document claiming that it is the public right to benefit that service. Joined with all receipt of each and everyone that had a transaction from an agent proving that they paid for a dispensable service.

                We can kill their business and free others from the hassle.

                Anyone interested, please reply to this thread.

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                • Sky Garden
                  Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1410

                  Originally posted by BatamBule123 View Post
                  Someone is making thousands of dollars everyday on the expense of expats and that has to change.

                  I am looking for people that would want to put their name on a petition joined with a legal document claiming that it is the public right to benefit that service. Joined with all receipt of each and everyone that had a transaction from an agent proving that they paid for a dispensable service.

                  We can kill their business and free others from the hassle.

                  Anyone interested, please reply to this thread.
                  Yup good luck with that.

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                  • mrcibubur
                    Member
                    • Feb 2009
                    • 1057

                    Obtaining a Kitas via a Sosbus is indeed a complete exercise in itself and there are a number of steps which must be taken. we must also anticipate that where travelling is involved between government departments, an agents fee is likely to be much higher than one centralized around Jakarta. Some of the legwork must be done by you anyway such as interviews, copying, fingerprinting. I look on it as an adventure rather than a nightmare, nobody is unfriendly or unhelpful and it is no different in terms of a nerve wrecking experience than say oreganizing and checking in for an International flight. Don't be deterred,\ others have done it and so far I my own application is in process.

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                    • Shinta
                      Member
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 920

                      Originally posted by BatamBule123 View Post
                      there is a THREE DAY PROCESSING time to get the KITAS in Singapore!

                      Furthermore, while the EXPRESS SERVICE is NOT publicly available for the general public; an agent can benefit the express service for himself and charge whatever he wants for the service it's illegal.

                      This is clearly a DOUBLE STANDARD, it is by no mean LEGAL

                      The express service should be available FOR ALL AND EVERYONE and for a fraction of this price. I heard it is now possible for the public to get that express service in KL due to complaints regarding this kind of double standard corruption, insiders benefit...

                      Someone is making thousands of dollars everyday on the expense of expats and that has to change.

                      I am looking for people that would want to put their name on a petition joined with a legal document claiming that it is the public right to benefit that service. Joined with all receipt of each and everyone that had a transaction from an agent proving that they paid for a dispensable service.

                      We can kill their business and free others from the hassle.

                      Anyone interested, please reply to this thread.
                      [FONT=&quot][SIZE=4]I went to [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=&quot][SIZE=4]Singapore[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=&quot][SIZE=4] as well last Junuary and I had to be there three days to make the Social Visa. Since them I was thinking exactly the same like you and even I post here over a month ago a post asking people if that could be corruption or not and only one person replied the question!!!!
                      Batam, many people in this foro and many people I know has been using these agents for more than 10 years, I guess is very convenient for many people and the most of them don´t care if it is corruption or not as long they get their visa as quick as posible.
                      I was very surprise to read a post from mrcibubur a few weeks ago saying he got his social visa on the same day in [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=&quot][SIZE=4]Kuala Lumpur[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=&quot][SIZE=4]!!!!!!!!!!!!! to me it is amezing and hard to believe that in a country like [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=&quot][SIZE=4]Singapore[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=&quot][SIZE=4] they allow people to do corruption................
                      Your idea is great but I afraid you are not going to get support at all.
                      Batam by the way if you get your Kitas ikut istri don´t worry because you don´´t have to renew it until 5 years (or 6 years I am not sure now, I had a Kitas before and I think that time the first year didn´t count but I am not sure about that) and after that years, hahaha now you know you have to go to KL for not paying corruption and not spending money in Singapore!!![/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][SIZE=4]
                      I totally agree with you and I think is not fair!!!
                      Did you get any pm?[/SIZE]
                      [/SIZE]
                      Last edited by Shinta; 31-05-11, 22:37.
                      Overcoming poverty is no a gesture of charity is an act of justice the protection of a fundamental human right to dignity..

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                      • Shinta
                        Member
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 920

                        Originally posted by Sky Garden View Post
                        Yup good luck with that.
                        SG, I feel sad reading what you posted, not need to say that, of course I guess it is easier to wish good luck and pay the agents in Singapore to make the visa run in one day!!!!
                        Last edited by Shinta; 31-05-11, 22:41.
                        Overcoming poverty is no a gesture of charity is an act of justice the protection of a fundamental human right to dignity..

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                        • marcus
                          Member
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 9251

                          Originally posted by BatamBule123 View Post
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                          (1) There is no way I am gonna pay that next year too renew my KITAS.

                          (2) Someone is making thousands of dollars everyday on the expense of expats and that has to change.

                          I am looking for people that would want to put their name on a petition joined with a legal document claiming that it is the public right to benefit that service. Joined with all receipt of each and everyone that had a transaction from an agent proving that they paid for a dispensable service.
                          We can kill their business and free others from the hassle.

                          Anyone interested, please reply to this thread.
                          (1) To get the second KITAS or the first KITAP , you will NOT need to go outside Indonesia . By the way , for the second KITAS , only KanIm and KanWil are involved (local and regional immigration offices).

                          (2) This kind of thing goes on because the expats also have advantage . The agents charge around S$100 (more than the official Embassy price) for the service , so expats prefer to pay it than to spend more time and money in hotel , food ,..
                          So , even considering it is not right , I think it is still a good option for some of us . For example , I knew a foreigner with a child studying in Indonesia , and she used the agent to avoid the child to be absent of the school for more than one day .

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                          • rich3276
                            Member
                            • Jun 2011
                            • 180

                            I am new to these problems

                            Hi Guys
                            I want to visit my wife in Indonesia is this quotation still up to date..

                            thx

                            Originally posted by atlantis View Post
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]THIS POST HAS BEEN UPDATED IN APRIL 2009 AND JUNE 2010[/FONT][/COLOR]

                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Since the publication of the new citizenship law a foreigner can be sponsored for residency by his indonesian wife. However the various regulations related to it seem not very well known by the Imigrasi around the country. It’s only in February 2007 that the ministerial decision no M.01-IZ.01.10 formally included foreign husbands joining their indonesian wives as being eligible for a KITAS.[/FONT][/COLOR]

                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Though one could pick up a VITAS (sponsor istri) from a KBRI abroad, having previously obtained the agreement of the DitJen Imigrasi in JKT, I believe that the procedure described below is somewhat easier. It allows you plenty of time (you first enter on a SosBud, which can be extended up to 6 months) to convert it to an ITAS. Having almost 6 months to do so, it leaves almost no chance to the Imigrasi to try to extort bribes from you... It also offers the advantage of not having to exit Indonesia to get it.[/FONT][/COLOR]

                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Here is the way to do it:[/FONT][/COLOR]

                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]1[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. The foreign husband get a Visa Kunjungan SosBud abroad, and get an Izin Kunjungan delivered for a first leg of 60 days at the port of entrance.[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]2[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. The foreigner goes to his local KanIm (no mandatory waiting period of 4 months), along with his indonesian wife to apply for the conversion of his izin kunjungan in an ITAS. (Pasal 47 & Pasal 48* PP nomor 32 thn 1994)[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]3.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] The sponsor "buys" the needed forms (IDR 10K to IDR 25K) and fills a written demand. A "Riwayat Hidup" of the foreigner, a bank statement showing that the couple has enough funds to live 1 full year in Indonesia should be joined.[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]4[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. On top of the above, the sponsor should submit:[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]- Akte Perwakinan asli (kristen, Hindhu, Buddhist) or Buku Nikah asli (islam) or Surat Tanda Bukti Lapor Perkawinan asli (overseas wed)[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]- Wife's KTP.[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]- Husband's Passport.[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]5.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] Usually, 2 extra sets of photocopies are requested for each documents. [/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]6[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. Imigrasi will then issue a document to be brought to the Kantor Wilayah. It is a letter which says that after reviewing all the documents, he has no opposition for the conversion of the immigration status. Allow a couple of days to get the letter signed by the KaKanIm. [/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]7[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. After reviewing all your documents the Kepala Bidang Keimigrasian of the Kantor Wilayah will issue a letter stating his positive opinion about the change of status of the foreign husband. This letter, along with a set of all the documents, should be brought or sent to Bpk Direktur Izin Tinggal dan Status kemigrasian in the DitJen Imigrasi situated in Jln Rasuna Said Kav 8-9 in Jakarta. Allow 1 day for the KanWil to sort out the document. There is no fee for the letter, but anything like IDR 10K to IDR 50K should help the lady to type faster.[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]If you live far from Jakarta, you can send by any services such as Tiki the letter from the KanWil to the DitJen. It works well, and I never had any trouble doing so before.[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]8[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. Upon reception of the letter of the KanWil, after reviewing all the documents the Kasubdit Alih Status Keimigrasian (Bapak Soepriatna Anwar, SH, MH), on behalf of the Direktur Izin Tinggal dan Status kemigrasian (Bpk Agastya Hari Marsono, Bc.Im.) should issue a [FONT=Verdana]Keputusan Direktur jenderal Imigrasi nomor[/FONT]: (the number/reference of the Keputusan) [FONT=Verdana]tentang Alih status Izin Kunjungan menjadi Izin tinggal terbatas atas nama[/FONT]: (Name of the foreigner) stating that a new status can be granted to the foreigner.[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Allow a week to 10 days for this keputusan to be ready from the time you delivered all the documents to the DitJen. Monitor it on the phone at (021) 5224658 ext 2521. Don't hesitate to phone 15 times a day, you need luck to have someone answering...[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]9. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You, or any relative (holding a "Surat Kuasa Khusus" from you), should pick the Keputusan DitJen directly from the Sub-Direktorat Alih Status Keimigrasian. Chances are that you meet with Pak "R.S", a "friend of mine"... Last time we met, he was happy to kick me out of his office... But he is not a bad chap.[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]10.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] In fact, the DitJen will issue 3 copies, 1 for you, 1 for the KanIm, 1 for the KanWil). You need to bring it back victoriously to the KanWil which will give you a letter autorising the KanIm to start to process a KITAS. [/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]11[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. At that point, the foreign husband will have to submit a few pics and get fingerprinted (fee: IDR 15K).[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]12[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. Then comes the time to pay the fee for the KITAS: IDR 700K for a 1 year KITAS if your passport has a minimum of 18 months remaining validity or IDR 350K for a 6 months KITAS if your passport has a 12 months remaining validity.[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]13.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] If your KanIm is "online" with the DitJen, a small problem may occur. After delivering the Keputusan DirJen, Jakarta often "forget" to finalise the procedure and to enter the "OK" in the system... which means that your KanIm can not process your payment!!! First time in your life that Imigrasi will refuse your money... enjoy the moment, it generally doesn't happen often! It happened to me recently. If it happens, no worries, just telephone to the number given at point 8 (or fax : 021- 52962095... this one is the fax of the SubDit Alih status)[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]14[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. The Kantor Imigrasi will then stamp an ITAS in the foreign passport and a KITAS (Kartu Izin Tinggal terbatas) will be issued.[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]15[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. 2/3 days after or so, a POA Book will be remitted (no fees for it). [/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]16[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. At that point, it is advisable to ask for an "Izin Masuk Kembali" to be stamped in the husband passport. Without it, the KITAS holder "looses" his KITAS if he goes out of Indonesia. Better then to have it if you don't want to do it all over again. [/FONT][/COLOR]
                            See in the archives of this channel for the official fees attached to the Izin masuk Kembali.
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]17[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. You still need to process a SKLD (Surat Keterengan Lapor Diri) which is a trendy little plastic card with the husband's pic. There is now, as per June 2010, a legal fee for it: IDR 100.000. You have to go to your main Police Resort to get it sorted. You will also have to get a STM (Surat Tanda Melapor - no fee) stating your address. The person who gives shelter to the foreigner should be the one reporting and signing it.[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]18[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. The foreigner has to go to his Kantor Lurah to get a Surat keterengan domisili stating his formal address in Indonesia and he should bring this letter to his Catatan Sipil to get a SKTT (Surat Keterangan Tempat Tinggal), a SKPPS (surat keterengan pendaftaran penduduk sementara) and a SKDLN (Surat Keterengan Datang dari Luar Negeri). A foreigner staying on a KITAS MUST register at the Capil for the above documents. It will help smothen a KITAP procedure later. In fact, chances are that the CaPil compil the three documents and issue a nice greenish card attesting your residency and registration as a temporary resident for the length of the KITAS. Fees for it are defined by Peraturan Daerah and varies depending on each kota/kabupaten. It shouldn't cost more than IDR 150K.[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Be careful you have 14 days to do so after the date of issuance of the KITAS (Pasal 20, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan) to register. Failure to do so in time would expose you to a fine of a maximum of IDR 2.000K (Pasal 89, undang undang 23 tahun 2006 tentang Administrasi Kependudukan).[/FONT][/COLOR]
                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]19[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]. Your next move will be to go to the Departemen Pajak to get a NPWP, the husband's personal tax number... [/FONT][/COLOR]

                            [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]* amended article in 2005. It reduces to nil the "waiting period" of 4 months previously mandatory before initiating the procedure.[/FONT][/COLOR]

                            To be continued at post #3

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                            • ohmdafyd
                              Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 4919

                              Yes it is, though you state that you want to visit her which implies that you will leave again in which case the usual sosbud would likely be more appropriate for you with far less administrative work and money as the process above describes the procedure for residency.
                              IknowthatyoubelieveyouunderstandwhatyouthinkIsaid, butI'mnotsureyourealisethatwhatyouheardisnotwhatI meant.

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                              • rich3276
                                Member
                                • Jun 2011
                                • 180

                                No actually I want to stay in indo, so this will be the right way of doing things

                                thx for any answers

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